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	'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, like, maybe on a different year, it would have been San Francisco that you might have skipped. But we have big commitments this year.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, like, maybe on a different year, it would have been San Francisco that you might have skipped. But we have big commitments this year.

	'''Myke Hurley:''' Yep. Yep, exactly. So, and I've got a bunch of stuff before that. Like, July is just crazy for me. And just the idea of leading into that this particular year was very tough. So hopefully we'll be back next year. And, you know, we'll go from there. But, yeah, shows for me are really hard to plan out, like, six months ahead. Like, you know, people want to know, like, in February, will I be at DC? Well, I mean, it was yes for the longest time. But as you get closer, the schedules change. The schedules get tighter. Things move around. Some things have to give. Like, I can't just fully plan out our show schedule that far in advance just based on other obligations. So retail. So this was a harder decision, I guess, to say out loud. But an easy decision when it comes to our financial stability at ~~NOC~~. The short version, which I said on last week's show and on 1857, is the margins are bad. Like, it's not sustainable profit margins for ~~NOC~~ to continue absorbing the mass inventory that we have to carry to fulfill retail.		'''Myke Hurley:''' Yep. Yep, exactly. So, and I've got a bunch of stuff before that. Like, July is just crazy for me. And just the idea of leading into that this particular year was very tough. So hopefully we'll be back next year. And, you know, we'll go from there. But, yeah, shows for me are really hard to plan out, like, six months ahead. Like, you know, people want to know, like, in February, will I be at DC? Well, I mean, it was yes for the longest time. But as you get closer, the schedules change. The schedules get tighter. Things move around. Some things have to give. Like, I can't just fully plan out our show schedule that far in advance just based on other obligations. So retail. So this was a harder decision, I guess, to say out loud. But an easy decision when it comes to our financial stability at Nock. The short version, which I said on last week's show and on 1857, is the margins are bad. Like, it's not sustainable profit margins for Nock to continue absorbing the mass inventory that we have to carry to fulfill retail.

	'''Brad Dowdy:''' But, like, I guess the question, because obviously, yes, that makes a lot of sense. But the question is, like, are you making, you know, do you, I don't know if you know if you were making it up in volume, right? Where it's like, it's great if you continue to sell the same amount of cases. Yes. But that's not a guarantee.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' But, like, I guess the question, because obviously, yes, that makes a lot of sense. But the question is, like, are you making, you know, do you, I don't know if you know if you were making it up in volume, right? Where it's like, it's great if you continue to sell the same amount of cases. Yes. But that's not a guarantee.

	'''Myke Hurley:''' Right. So that's the trick, right? So we went into retail and we said we're going to absorb the lower margins for higher volume, right? So that's the general idea. And that works, sort of. But the bigger picture issue was it's hard to manage, right? We only have so much data we can go off of. And we have to order such a huge quantity to be able to fulfill retail orders on retailers' whims and how things are selling. Like, our retailers are spectacular to work with. They took less margins to carry our goods. They've, you know, driven sales of our goods and they've driven awareness of our brand. And I'm forever thankful for them. But the bottom line math was really bad for us and the volume did not make up for it. And when I talk about the volume, it kind of more ties into how ~~NOC~~ was when we started in the first few years where we could change and innovate much more quickly than we're able to do now. Like, our customers want two or three different colorways in our product lines per year.		'''Myke Hurley:''' Right. So that's the trick, right? So we went into retail and we said we're going to absorb the lower margins for higher volume, right? So that's the general idea. And that works, sort of. But the bigger picture issue was it's hard to manage, right? We only have so much data we can go off of. And we have to order such a huge quantity to be able to fulfill retail orders on retailers' whims and how things are selling. Like, our retailers are spectacular to work with. They took less margins to carry our goods. They've, you know, driven sales of our goods and they've driven awareness of our brand. And I'm forever thankful for them. But the bottom line math was really bad for us and the volume did not make up for it. And when I talk about the volume, it kind of more ties into how Nock was when we started in the first few years where we could change and innovate much more quickly than we're able to do now. Like, our customers want two or three different colorways in our product lines per year.

	'''Myke Hurley:''' Based on the volume I had to have to fulfill retail, we couldn't turn that inventory over quick enough.		'''Myke Hurley:''' Based on the volume I had to have to fulfill retail, we couldn't turn that inventory over quick enough.
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	'''Myke Hurley:''' Right, right. And we've come to the conclusion that we're better off with that risk level to where we're... Jeff and I are the happiest when we're making new designs and getting new colors made in our products. Like, when there's change in our lineup. There hasn't been a lot of change, like, in the past 9 or 12 months. And that's not what we've always done in the past. And it just leads to, like, it being static and boring.		'''Myke Hurley:''' Right, right. And we've come to the conclusion that we're better off with that risk level to where we're... Jeff and I are the happiest when we're making new designs and getting new colors made in our products. Like, when there's change in our lineup. There hasn't been a lot of change, like, in the past 9 or 12 months. And that's not what we've always done in the past. And it just leads to, like, it being static and boring.

	'''Myke Hurley:''' We've lost a little bit of the stories we're able to tell when we do new things. Right? We can't talk about, you know, the same thing over and over again for 9 months. We want to talk about it every 3 months or every 5 months. Whatever that is. You know, I don't know that there's just a, like, a fixed date. But we know that, you know, like, having the quantities that we have in stock are really good for retail. They're not good for me and Jeff. And they're not good for the long-term health of the company. Like, there's nothing wrong with ~~NOC~~, like, on a business level or perspective. But we have to change what we're doing to, like, kind of fix, like, the inventory issues that we're having right now. Like, it's just kind of grabbed hold of us and shaken us. Like, we can't innovate as quickly as we want as long as we're carrying this much inventory. So we're going to go back to doing a quicker turnover of products, which is what we've always done in the past. And just selling them directly ourselves, you know, and innovating and creating new products faster. Like, we get stuck in that too, right? Because we can't make, like, a brand new product at scale because we're tied up with all this other inventory. So, you know, it's trying to figure all that out. Like, we're 6 years into it and we're still trying to figure it out. Like, what's the right thing to do? Like, you never know the right thing to do sometimes until you do it. The retail was right in the beginning and it turns out it's not going to work now. Like, it's, you know, it's not a long-term sustainable thing and ~~NOC~~ is set up to be a long-term sustainable company. So we have to make hard decisions like this to just kind of get ourselves back on track.		'''Myke Hurley:''' We've lost a little bit of the stories we're able to tell when we do new things. Right? We can't talk about, you know, the same thing over and over again for 9 months. We want to talk about it every 3 months or every 5 months. Whatever that is. You know, I don't know that there's just a, like, a fixed date. But we know that, you know, like, having the quantities that we have in stock are really good for retail. They're not good for me and Jeff. And they're not good for the long-term health of the company. Like, there's nothing wrong with Nock, like, on a business level or perspective. But we have to change what we're doing to, like, kind of fix, like, the inventory issues that we're having right now. Like, it's just kind of grabbed hold of us and shaken us. Like, we can't innovate as quickly as we want as long as we're carrying this much inventory. So we're going to go back to doing a quicker turnover of products, which is what we've always done in the past. And just selling them directly ourselves, you know, and innovating and creating new products faster. Like, we get stuck in that too, right? Because we can't make, like, a brand new product at scale because we're tied up with all this other inventory. So, you know, it's trying to figure all that out. Like, we're 6 years into it and we're still trying to figure it out. Like, what's the right thing to do? Like, you never know the right thing to do sometimes until you do it. The retail was right in the beginning and it turns out it's not going to work now. Like, it's, you know, it's not a long-term sustainable thing and Nock is set up to be a long-term sustainable company. So we have to make hard decisions like this to just kind of get ourselves back on track.

	'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, I, it's interesting to me how much ~~NOC~~ changes. It's changed a lot and quickly. Mm-hmm. And I find that kind of fascinating.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' Yeah, I, it's interesting to me how much Nock changes. It's changed a lot and quickly. Mm-hmm. And I find that kind of fascinating.

	'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, I mean, we've gone from making cases in Jeff's bedroom to renting out a, essentially, garage to put our sewing machines in. And so that answer we were trying to solve is, well, how can we make more, right? Because we were getting popular. So we hired people to come. So for us, we had employees at the peak. We had three employees, which is a lot for us, right? And then we still couldn't keep up with the demand. And we had the lure of retail, right? Which is like something like you have to decide on. That's, do you forego the retail experience? Maybe we should have never done it. I don't know. I don't regret it one bit. But those are the questions we have to have. So at one point, we had to find, you know, outside manufacturing, you know, in the U.S. We want to keep everything in the U.S. So that was hard. Like we talked about when we went to outsource manufacturing, how it took us like two years to find a good manufacturer. So that's our great, our manufacturer is great. They make, our products are awesome, awesomely made. But that's another thing, like you can't control their schedules as much as I'd like to control their schedules. We figured that out over the years and years and years. So it's interesting. One of the things that the chat is bringing up as I'm looking at this while we're talking is our international customers. That's the hardest thing for us because we do have international retailers who are absorbing the markup hit and the tax and customs hit to bring our products to our international customers. You know, I talked a little bit about that on 1857 with Stuart because he is one of our retailers at Nero's Notes in the U.K. And our products will be harder for our international customers now. And we have quite a large international following, which is fantastic. So maybe there's some type of distribution thing that can happen, you know, later. That's something that hasn't even crossed our minds right now. We're just trying to kind of get ourselves set on course and start making new stuff here. Probably in like you're not going to see much change with ~~NOC~~ maybe throughout the end of this year. Maybe a little bit. We'll have some new. We have already new cases and new products and new colors coming out and all that stuff. But you probably won't see like the fruits of our labor now until next year.		'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah, I mean, we've gone from making cases in Jeff's bedroom to renting out a, essentially, garage to put our sewing machines in. And so that answer we were trying to solve is, well, how can we make more, right? Because we were getting popular. So we hired people to come. So for us, we had employees at the peak. We had three employees, which is a lot for us, right? And then we still couldn't keep up with the demand. And we had the lure of retail, right? Which is like something like you have to decide on. That's, do you forego the retail experience? Maybe we should have never done it. I don't know. I don't regret it one bit. But those are the questions we have to have. So at one point, we had to find, you know, outside manufacturing, you know, in the U.S. We want to keep everything in the U.S. So that was hard. Like we talked about when we went to outsource manufacturing, how it took us like two years to find a good manufacturer. So that's our great, our manufacturer is great. They make, our products are awesome, awesomely made. But that's another thing, like you can't control their schedules as much as I'd like to control their schedules. We figured that out over the years and years and years. So it's interesting. One of the things that the chat is bringing up as I'm looking at this while we're talking is our international customers. That's the hardest thing for us because we do have international retailers who are absorbing the markup hit and the tax and customs hit to bring our products to our international customers. You know, I talked a little bit about that on 1857 with Stuart because he is one of our retailers at Nero's Notes in the U.K. And our products will be harder for our international customers now. And we have quite a large international following, which is fantastic. So maybe there's some type of distribution thing that can happen, you know, later. That's something that hasn't even crossed our minds right now. We're just trying to kind of get ourselves set on course and start making new stuff here. Probably in like you're not going to see much change with Nock maybe throughout the end of this year. Maybe a little bit. We'll have some new. We have already new cases and new products and new colors coming out and all that stuff. But you probably won't see like the fruits of our labor now until next year.

	'''Brad Dowdy:''' Okay. Well, I'm excited. I'm interested to see what comes of all of this. I like it when you guys keep pushing stuff.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' Okay. Well, I'm excited. I'm interested to see what comes of all of this. I like it when you guys keep pushing stuff.

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	'''Brad Dowdy:''' And alongside that, I don't actually think I ever mentioned this on the ~~Penn~~ Addict before, but on August 22nd, so a couple of days before the show, the day before, right, before the show begins, it's like Thursday night, and the San Francisco Pen Show begins on the 23rd, RelayFM is going to be hosting a fifth anniversary live show in San Francisco. It's going to be a big show. We're going to bring in a bunch of hosts across many RelayFM shows. And we're doing, like, a big fifth anniversary extravaganza because RelayFM turns five years old, like, four days before the live show. So if you're going to be in town for the San Francisco Pen Show, I really recommend it. We've got a great space. We're actually in San Francisco.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' And alongside that, I don't actually think I ever mentioned this on the Pen Addict before, but on August 22nd, so a couple of days before the show, the day before, right, before the show begins, it's like Thursday night, and the San Francisco Pen Show begins on the 23rd, RelayFM is going to be hosting a fifth anniversary live show in San Francisco. It's going to be a big show. We're going to bring in a bunch of hosts across many RelayFM shows. And we're doing, like, a big fifth anniversary extravaganza because RelayFM turns five years old, like, four days before the live show. So if you're going to be in town for the San Francisco Pen Show, I really recommend it. We've got a great space. We're actually in San Francisco.

	'''Brad Dowdy:''' We're up kind of in the Fisherman's Wharf area is where the show's going to be, near Coit Tower. So we've got, like, a wonderful location. If you've never really explored much of San Francisco before, it's a really nice place to go. And there's lots of interesting things to see in that area, which we're really happy about being in. It's a part of San Francisco that I really love. So that's going to be on August 22nd. We have some tickets available now. We will sell out for this show. So if you are going to be in town, I really recommend picking a ticket up. I think this is going to be something you won't want to miss. So you can go check it out. Am I invited? You're not only just invited, my friend. You're going to be a part of it in some fashion. We haven't worked out exactly what the show is going to be yet. But we are inviting and trying to get in as many RelayFM hosts as possible. So there's going to be some wonderful crossovers as a part of it. Nice. That should be amazing.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' We're up kind of in the Fisherman's Wharf area is where the show's going to be, near Coit Tower. So we've got, like, a wonderful location. If you've never really explored much of San Francisco before, it's a really nice place to go. And there's lots of interesting things to see in that area, which we're really happy about being in. It's a part of San Francisco that I really love. So that's going to be on August 22nd. We have some tickets available now. We will sell out for this show. So if you are going to be in town, I really recommend picking a ticket up. I think this is going to be something you won't want to miss. So you can go check it out. Am I invited? You're not only just invited, my friend. You're going to be a part of it in some fashion. We haven't worked out exactly what the show is going to be yet. But we are inviting and trying to get in as many RelayFM hosts as possible. So there's going to be some wonderful crossovers as a part of it. Nice. That should be amazing.

	'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah. I have a note related to this. I had to change my hotel when I realized that the live show was Thursday night, not Wednesday night. So I wanted to make sure I had myself going to the Pen Show Hotel Thursday night incorrectly. So I now have my hotels situated. So I'm actually there for the show on Thursday evening and not having to travel back and forth. So I will be at the San Francisco Pen Show Friday morning in preparation for Friday night's live ~~Penn~~ Addict podcast.		'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah. I have a note related to this. I had to change my hotel when I realized that the live show was Thursday night, not Wednesday night. So I wanted to make sure I had myself going to the Pen Show Hotel Thursday night incorrectly. So I now have my hotels situated. So I'm actually there for the show on Thursday evening and not having to travel back and forth. So I will be at the San Francisco Pen Show Friday morning in preparation for Friday night's live Pen Addict podcast.

	'''Brad Dowdy:''' So the tickets are on sale for the fifth anniversary show. There will be a link in the show notes, but you can also go to ti.to.com slash RelayFM. Ti.to.com slash RelayFM. And you can get tickets there. And yeah, we will be doing the live show for the ~~Penn~~ Addict. And there will be more details about that soon. Yep. That's going to be on Saturday, right? No, Friday night. Friday night. Friday night. Yeah.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' So the tickets are on sale for the fifth anniversary show. There will be a link in the show notes, but you can also go to ti.to.com slash RelayFM. Ti.to.com slash RelayFM. And you can get tickets there. And yeah, we will be doing the live show for the Pen Addict. And there will be more details about that soon. Yep. That's going to be on Saturday, right? No, Friday night. Friday night. Friday night. Yeah.

	'''Myke Hurley:''' Friday night, 9 p.m. No rest for the weary, Myke.		'''Myke Hurley:''' Friday night, 9 p.m. No rest for the weary, Myke.

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	'''Myke Hurley:''' And that caught me a little bit off guard. And apparently that had changed, I don't know, within the past year. It wasn't a new price change. I was used to them being $24.95 a dozen. I'm a subscriber to their volumes edition. I don't know what I pay per dozen. I'd have to go back and look. You know, you obviously get a little bit of a break with that, but I'd have to look and check. But $27.95 for a dozen pencils, so let's say $28 per dozen, we're getting about to the point where I might have to think about that because I don't use all the dozen that I get, right? You know, is that value still there for me at that price point? Right now it's fine. Like, I don't have a problem with that. And I just wonder, you know, hopefully this price will stay like this for a while, but I can get the idea from some people looking at a dozen pencils for $28 going, whew, yeah, that's a special thought process to make that kind of purchase. I feel it's worth it, like, right now. But I'm getting closer to the uncomfortable edge of the price point. So we'll see. But, like, that goes hand in hand with what we're just saying about how hard this is, right? Like, the price has to justify the work that goes into it. So, like, I get it. Like, I totally get it. But I got to, you know, evaluate that for my personal usage and things like that. But I agree. Like, it's close.		'''Myke Hurley:''' And that caught me a little bit off guard. And apparently that had changed, I don't know, within the past year. It wasn't a new price change. I was used to them being $24.95 a dozen. I'm a subscriber to their volumes edition. I don't know what I pay per dozen. I'd have to go back and look. You know, you obviously get a little bit of a break with that, but I'd have to look and check. But $27.95 for a dozen pencils, so let's say $28 per dozen, we're getting about to the point where I might have to think about that because I don't use all the dozen that I get, right? You know, is that value still there for me at that price point? Right now it's fine. Like, I don't have a problem with that. And I just wonder, you know, hopefully this price will stay like this for a while, but I can get the idea from some people looking at a dozen pencils for $28 going, whew, yeah, that's a special thought process to make that kind of purchase. I feel it's worth it, like, right now. But I'm getting closer to the uncomfortable edge of the price point. So we'll see. But, like, that goes hand in hand with what we're just saying about how hard this is, right? Like, the price has to justify the work that goes into it. So, like, I get it. Like, I totally get it. But I got to, you know, evaluate that for my personal usage and things like that. But I agree. Like, it's close.

	'''Brad Dowdy:''' So coming up very soon, alarmingly soon, is the San Francisco ~~Penn~~ Show.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' So coming up very soon, alarmingly soon, is the San Francisco Pen Show.



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	'''Brad Dowdy:''' And alongside that, I don't actually think I ever mentioned this on the Penn Addict before, but on August 22nd, so a couple of days before the show, the day before, right, before the show begins, it's like Thursday night, and the San Francisco ~~Penn~~ Show begins on the 23rd, RelayFM is going to be hosting a fifth anniversary live show in San Francisco. It's going to be a big show. We're going to bring in a bunch of hosts across many RelayFM shows. And we're doing, like, a big fifth anniversary extravaganza because RelayFM turns five years old, like, four days before the live show. So if you're going to be in town for the San Francisco ~~Penn~~ Show, I really recommend it. We've got a great space. We're actually in San Francisco.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' And alongside that, I don't actually think I ever mentioned this on the Penn Addict before, but on August 22nd, so a couple of days before the show, the day before, right, before the show begins, it's like Thursday night, and the San Francisco Pen Show begins on the 23rd, RelayFM is going to be hosting a fifth anniversary live show in San Francisco. It's going to be a big show. We're going to bring in a bunch of hosts across many RelayFM shows. And we're doing, like, a big fifth anniversary extravaganza because RelayFM turns five years old, like, four days before the live show. So if you're going to be in town for the San Francisco Pen Show, I really recommend it. We've got a great space. We're actually in San Francisco.

	'''Brad Dowdy:''' We're up kind of in the Fisherman's Wharf area is where the show's going to be, near Coit Tower. So we've got, like, a wonderful location. If you've never really explored much of San Francisco before, it's a really nice place to go. And there's lots of interesting things to see in that area, which we're really happy about being in. It's a part of San Francisco that I really love. So that's going to be on August 22nd. We have some tickets available now. We will sell out for this show. So if you are going to be in town, I really recommend picking a ticket up. I think this is going to be something you won't want to miss. So you can go check it out. Am I invited? You're not only just invited, my friend. You're going to be a part of it in some fashion. We haven't worked out exactly what the show is going to be yet. But we are inviting and trying to get in as many RelayFM hosts as possible. So there's going to be some wonderful crossovers as a part of it. Nice. That should be amazing.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' We're up kind of in the Fisherman's Wharf area is where the show's going to be, near Coit Tower. So we've got, like, a wonderful location. If you've never really explored much of San Francisco before, it's a really nice place to go. And there's lots of interesting things to see in that area, which we're really happy about being in. It's a part of San Francisco that I really love. So that's going to be on August 22nd. We have some tickets available now. We will sell out for this show. So if you are going to be in town, I really recommend picking a ticket up. I think this is going to be something you won't want to miss. So you can go check it out. Am I invited? You're not only just invited, my friend. You're going to be a part of it in some fashion. We haven't worked out exactly what the show is going to be yet. But we are inviting and trying to get in as many RelayFM hosts as possible. So there's going to be some wonderful crossovers as a part of it. Nice. That should be amazing.

	'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah. I have a note related to this. I had to change my hotel when I realized that the live show was Thursday night, not Wednesday night. So I wanted to make sure I had myself going to the ~~Penn~~ Show Hotel Thursday night incorrectly. So I now have my hotels situated. So I'm actually there for the show on Thursday evening and not having to travel back and forth. So I will be at the San Francisco ~~Penn~~ Show Friday morning in preparation for Friday night's live Penn Addict podcast.		'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah. I have a note related to this. I had to change my hotel when I realized that the live show was Thursday night, not Wednesday night. So I wanted to make sure I had myself going to the Pen Show Hotel Thursday night incorrectly. So I now have my hotels situated. So I'm actually there for the show on Thursday evening and not having to travel back and forth. So I will be at the San Francisco Pen Show Friday morning in preparation for Friday night's live Penn Addict podcast.

	'''Brad Dowdy:''' So the tickets are on sale for the fifth anniversary show. There will be a link in the show notes, but you can also go to ti.to.com slash RelayFM. Ti.to.com slash RelayFM. And you can get tickets there. And yeah, we will be doing the live show for the Penn Addict. And there will be more details about that soon. Yep. That's going to be on Saturday, right? No, Friday night. Friday night. Friday night. Yeah.		'''Brad Dowdy:''' So the tickets are on sale for the fifth anniversary show. There will be a link in the show notes, but you can also go to ti.to.com slash RelayFM. Ti.to.com slash RelayFM. And you can get tickets there. And yeah, we will be doing the live show for the Penn Addict. And there will be more details about that soon. Yep. That's going to be on Saturday, right? No, Friday night. Friday night. Friday night. Yeah.

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	'''Myke Hurley:''' All right.		'''Myke Hurley:''' All right.

			'''Brad Dowdy:''' If we want to do this, it's my turn. So, you spoke about some NotCo stuff last week, which seemed, I think, on the face of it, tricky. Sure. Like, you made kind of two negative announcements, I think. One, which is that you're not going to be going to DC. And then the second, that Nock is pulling away from retail. And I think on the face of it, they don't seem like good things. So, I wanted to kind of, like, dig into that a little bit more with you. Yeah, for sure. Myke was being nice.


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	'''Brad Dowdy:''' If we want to do this, it's my turn. So, you spoke about some NotCo stuff last week, which seemed, I think, on the face of it, tricky. Sure. Like, you made kind of two negative announcements, I think. One, which is that you're not going to be going to DC. And then the second, that Nock is pulling away from retail. And I think on the face of it, they don't seem like good things. So, I wanted to kind of, like, dig into that a little bit more with you. Yeah, for sure. Myke was being nice.

	'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah. Like, that was one of the bombs I dropped on him. It's like, I got to talk about this. Like, I've announced it, right? So, and I had to put it in the show, and I kind of felt bad for him. Because that's really not his forte to, like, dig into that. So, I felt a little bit bad. But I did talk about it more on the 1857 podcast, too, which is another reason why you should go listen to that. You can hear more about it. But, yeah, like, the perception could be seen as negative, right, based on just those, like, the headline topics, right? The easy one is the DC show.		'''Myke Hurley:''' Yeah. Like, that was one of the bombs I dropped on him. It's like, I got to talk about this. Like, I've announced it, right? So, and I had to put it in the show, and I kind of felt bad for him. Because that's really not his forte to, like, dig into that. So, I felt a little bit bad. But I did talk about it more on the 1857 podcast, too, which is another reason why you should go listen to that. You can hear more about it. But, yeah, like, the perception could be seen as negative, right, based on just those, like, the headline topics, right? The easy one is the DC show.
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	== ~~Viewer Questions~~ ==		== TV Show Pen Identification ==

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2026-06-14T10:26:11Z

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